Wives and Husbands

Originally posted at http://gephartr.blogspot.com

In a recent conversation I was asked what my opinion is on the status of man and wife, and the "headship" of man. This can be a touchy subject, and I'm pretty sure that many will disagree with me. But here goes.

Starting with the most used scripture for this topic: Ephesians.

Eph 4:23-5:33 (NLT)
"Instead, let the Spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes. Put on your new nature, created to be like God—truly righteous and holy. So stop telling lies. Let us tell our neighbors the truth, for we are all parts of the same body. And “don’t sin by letting anger control you.” Don’t let the sun go down while you are still angry, for anger gives a foothold to the devil.

If you are a thief, quit stealing. Instead, use your hands for good hard work, and then give generously to others in need. Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them. And do not bring sorrow to God’s Holy Spirit by the way you live. Remember, he has identified you as his own, guaranteeing that you will be saved on the day of redemption.

Get rid of all bitterness, rage, anger, harsh words, and slander, as well as all types of evil behavior. Instead, be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you. Imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children. Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God.

Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people. Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God. You can be sure that no immoral, impure, or greedy person will inherit the Kingdom of Christ and of God. For a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world.

Don’t be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey him. Don’t participate in the things these people do. For once you were full of darkness, but now you have light from the Lord. So live as people of light! For this light within you produces only what is good and right and true.

Carefully determine what pleases the Lord. Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them. It is shameful even to talk about the things that ungodly people do in secret. But their evil intentions will be exposed when the light shines on them, for the light makes everything visible. This is why it is said,

“Awake, O sleeper,
rise up from the dead,
and Christ will give you light.”

So be careful how you live. Don’t live like fools, but like those who are wise. Make the most of every opportunity in these evil days. Don’t act thoughtlessly, but understand what the Lord wants you to do. Don’t be drunk with wine, because that will ruin your life. Instead, be filled with the Holy Spirit, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs among yourselves, and making music to the Lord in your hearts. And give thanks for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church. As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.

For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God’s word. He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault. In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man who loves his wife actually shows love for himself. No one hates his own body but feeds and cares for it, just as Christ cares for the church. And we are members of his body.

As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one. So again I say, each man must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

First, you say that I put in too much of the book. But the book defines the meaning of itself. So what is said prior to the section on submission applies to defining what is meant. That said:

1. Paul is explain how man (male/female) are to become a new creation in Christ Jesus. We are to leave our old ways behind and become righteous.
2. We become righteous by submitting ourselves to the wishes of the Creator (as defined throughout the Scriptures).
3. The Creator does not force us to submit, but asks us to. It is our choice out of our free will.
4. Also, being like Jesus means to forgive everyone their sins. For Jesus came that all may be saved.
5. "And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ." So each of us believers are to also choose to submit ourselves to each other.
6. Wives choose to submit to their husbands because he is the head of his family. This submission is shown thru respect for his person, thoughts, actions, etc.
7. Husbands choose to sacrifice everything in order to protect his wife, even as Jesus sacrificed all. Husbands should not care if the wife submits, or cheats, etc. The husband is to choose to sacrifice everything - and as already mentioned above; to forgive one another.
8. A wife and a husband marry and become one person - even as Jesus and the Church are one - even as Jesus and the Father are one.

So, that said, is there a hierarchy of man to woman? Sure, but it is a hierarchy of love and mutual respect. Man (male/female) are created as one. When marriage occurs, they become one. As an example of their "oneness" we are given the image in Genesis of the "oneness" of the Creator (Father, Spirit, and Son). And God said, let us make man in our own image - male and female created he them. We are also given the image of Jesus and the ekklesia - who is made righteous by Jesus taking away all sin thru his blood. So the ekklesia is made "one" with Jesus by his taking our sin, and by his making us more and more like him, until he one day returns and transforms us to be like him (for we shall see him as he is).

So what does that tell us of the status of male and female in a marriage relationship? It tells us that we are equals. It tells us that if we do as we are told, then the other person will mean more to us than we do to ourselves. It means that there is no question of who "ranks higher" in the eyes of the Creator - for the first will be last and the last will be first.

So, why do we think we need to worry about headship again?

Comments

Well said Randy.

Well said Randy.

So, why do we think we need

So, why do we think we need to worry about headship again?

Quite simply, an entire section of Scripture (1 Cor. 11:1-16) asserts that man is head of woman. The passage does not appear to limit headship to marital relations, but applies it to gender relations as a whole.

To gephartr's post I want to

To gephartr's post I want to add that three times as much material in that submission section is devoted to the man's role than the woman's. Also, asking a wife in Afghanistan to submit to her husband would turn no heads nor raise any eyebrows. Yet, to ask the husband there to love his wife as Christ loved the church (which includes washing her feet!), serving her and laying down his life for her, this is RADICAL! This would cause a stir. We should realize by these considerations that Paul was correcting husbands far more than he was correcting wives in this text.

Furthermore, these are social constructs instituted among men. They are not normative as God's commanded will but the church is encouraged to honor these constructions so that it might have a place of influence in a lost world. Paul talks about our responsibility in this respect in 1 Timothy 2:1-2 among other places, and Peter says it very clearly in 1 Peter 2 and following. Consider 1 Peter 2:12-13

12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority,

In Peter's list of "authorities instituted among men" is the relationship between husband and wife.

In regard to TC's response from 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 I have written to him about the bad theology of this passage and how to understand what is to be understood as "in the Lord" and not "in the Lord" in this section of scripture. He has not responded to me yet but I expect him to soon.

The best way to come to see what is happening in 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 is to notice that someone (would TC say it is Paul?) is arguing that there are only two of three acceptable options for women who wish to pray or prophesy in an assembly.

1. They may cover their head.
2. They may shave their head

The one option mentioned that is absolutely not acceptable is

3. Their hair is acceptable as the covering.

Read this text carefully and follow the argument. In verses 5-6 it makes it absolutely clear that it is not acceptable for a woman to pray and prophesy with just her hair. They must either cover it or shave it.

Yet, after v.11 which says "in the Lord, however" the point is made that the woman's hair is a God given covering and should be accepted as such. The point is further made that any dissenters should know that neither Paul nor the other churches of God have any other practice than allowing the woman's hair to be the covering.

So, who is insisting that it either be covered or shaved? Paul? Cannot be. That position is identified by the discussion and in v. 11 as "not in the Lord."

There is more bad theology as well! One of the arguments for male hierarchy here is that the man is the image and glory of God. This implies that the female is somehow not the image and glory of God! Is that good theology? Is there anything more clear in the Genesis narrative chapters 1-5 that mankind (male and female) are created equally in the image of God?

1 Corinthians is full of texts that reveal doctrinal positions that Paul has determined to correct. Chapter 11 contains such material.

So, any hierarchy imposed from this passage is in danger of teaching the very doctrine that Paul was taking a stand against!

I suggest caution be taken here.

I would advise anyone interested in this discussion to study and reflect upon and meditate upon and contemplate the text itself. If you read the commentaries on this passage, hold them accountable to what YOU read there and see if they can resolve the issues I have raised here in a way that makes sense of the troubling contradictions within the passage itself as well as with the Genesis narrative.

May God bless the search for truth!

Randy

I think the lynchpin verse

I think the lynchpin verse to this Ephesians section is "And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ." So, it states how we should choose to submit ourselves to others, and then it goes into examples describing how we could do exactly this.

Therefore, whether the wife submits to the husband or not - it is not the concern of the husband; only the wife. The concern of the husband is does he fulfill his roll on how to submit to his wife.

Geppy

Absolutely. We should also

Absolutely.

We should also understand that everything written, even though it appears to be commanded, is not necessarily for the whole church for all time.

An example of this is the conclusion of the council at Jerusalem in Acts 15. Paul and Barnabas were commissioned by the Apostles and elders of the Jerusalem church to take instructions to the churches about the things the council had determined. These included instructions about foods that were and were not acceptable to eat.

However, Paul teaches the Romans 14:14 that he does not regard any food as unclean.

Is Paul contradicting the Jerusalem council? Yes.
Is that O.K.? Yes.

Because we have to understand that some of the instructions we find in the Bible were meant for the immediate recipients and only meant for the church universal by the principles underlying them.

In Corinth Paul encourages widows to remain single. In Ephesus (to Timothy) he tells some of them to marry.

To Timothy Paul declares that an Elder must not be a recent convert. Yet, follow Paul's first missionary journey. It takes from two to three years. So, half way into that time he starts his return.

QUESTION: How old were the churches and how recent the converts in the last towns that he evangelized before turning around and going through them on his journey back?

Months, at most?

But still, he established elders in each church.

If Jesus were to bring the Gospel to the Middle East today Himself or through Paul or Peter, He would pour into those cultures principles of life and relationships that bring healing of relationships, and respect and honor to every human being.

He wouldn't have to dismantle the culture to do that. The influence of the Holy Spirit, however, will remove injustice from among those who submit themselves to Him. Though the Bible contains instructions to slaves and slave owners, it should not be thought that these are social constructs that God demands. We generally understand that by the power of the Spirit of Christ unjust situations as this will eventually be eliminated.

So, just seeing patriarchy in the text and the instructions for those in that type of culture does not warrant making patriarchy a normative model.

The Bible is not a two dimensional law book. It is many different genres of material and we must "rightly divide" it if we are to know God more truly and follow Him more closely.

Randy

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